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Thursday, 19 November 2009

Full Tilt's New "Run It Twice" Gimmick

Ah crap. Full Tilt has introduced a new feature called "Run It Twice". "Run It Twice" hands seriously screws things up for Poker Copilot.

There's a sample hand history below in which I've changed the names to protect the innocent. One game number, one flop, two turns, two turns, two rivers, two pots. This doesn't fit into Poker Copilot's database, model or user interface.

I'm not sure what to do about this. Any smart readers got a nifty suggestion?

Full Tilt Poker Game #1111111: Table ZZZZZZ (heads up) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:11:11 ET - 2009/11/11
Seat 1: XXXXXX ($1,029.50)
Seat 2: YYYYYY ($1,273.50)
YYYYYY posts the small blind of $5
XXXXXX posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to XXXXXX [3d Ad]
YYYYYY raises to $30
XXXXXX calls $20
*** FLOP *** [4c Qd 6d]
XXXXXX checks
YYYYYY bets $50
XXXXXX raises to $150
YYYYYY has 15 seconds left to act
YYYYYY has requested TIME
YYYYYY raises to $390
XXXXXX raises to $999.50, and is all in
YYYYYY calls $609.50
Players agree to Run It Twice
XXXXXX shows [3d Ad]
YYYYYY shows [Qh Th]
*** TURN 1 *** [4c Qd 6d] [8h]
*** RIVER 1 *** [4c Qd 6d 8h] [4h]
*** TURN 2 *** [4c Qd 6d] [As]
*** RIVER 2 *** [4c Qd 6d As] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN 1 ***
XXXXXX shows a pair of Fours
YYYYYY shows two pair, Queens and Fours
*** SHOW DOWN 2 ***
XXXXXX shows a pair of Aces
YYYYYY shows a pair of Queens
YYYYYY wins pot 1 ($1,029) with two pair, Queens and Fours
XXXXXX wins pot 2 ($1,029) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2,059 | Rake $1
*** SUMMARY 1 ***
Pot 1 $1,029
Board: [4c Qd 6d 8h 4h]
Seat 1: XXXXXX (big blind) showed [3d Ad] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 2: YYYYYY (small blind) showed [Qh Th] and won ($1,029) with two pair, Queens and Fours
*** SUMMARY 2 ***
Pot 2 $1,029
Board: [4c Qd 6d As Kh]
Seat 1: XXXXXX (big blind) showed [3d Ad] and won ($1,029) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: YYYYYY (small blind) showed [Qh Th] and lost with a pair of Queens

Posted by Steve McLeod at 3:55 PM

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ignore it

19 November 2009 4:17 PM
KeithX said...

Somebody at FT watches too much High Stakes Poker. Not so funny for HUD programmers though. Just be glad you they don't offer "Run It Three or Four Times" lol.

Unfortunately you can't calc an accurate win rate without taking this new feature into account. There are a lot of "features" that are optional, but this isn't one of them.

19 November 2009 4:51 PM
Lord Bodak said...

I guess the easy answer is "see how PT3 and HEM handle it." It definitely needs to be supported but I sure don't see an obvious way to do so.

19 November 2009 4:56 PM
Anonymous said...

Once "players agree to run it twice" could it go to some kind of side pot type database? Then figure it out from there?

19 November 2009 7:32 PM
Mike P said...

Treat it as two separate hands? Name the first one #1111111-1 and the second #1111111-2.

20 November 2009 1:44 AM
Charles E said...

Can't you just use an if-then-else statement?
Like:
If "2 pots" is true
calculate statistics of "showdown 1" and "pot 1"
then calculate statistics of "showdown 2" and "pot 2" and proceed to next hand
else calculate statistics of "showdown 1" and "pot 1" and proceed to next hand

Maybe it should be called "run 1", which includes "turn 1", "river 1", "showdown 1" and "pot 1".

So make it do everything like normal except if PCP identifies that there are 2 pots in one game number, it calculates the pots as individual results in a sense, but no different to a game number only having one pot.

Because if you are all-in before the turn then what is there left to calculate apart from $ won, bb/100, WtS, WaS. Statistics like aggression could only be calculated up until the all-in on the flop, right?

I might be chatting shit, though if I'm not you've probably already figured it out, but whatever!

I've only messed around with the very basics of programming just for jokes a while back and I was super tired at the time of writing this, so I might be far off. lol

20 November 2009 3:57 AM
KeithX said...

Here's my two cents on the algorithm. The key to reporting the cash properly is the summary sections:

*** SUMMARY 1 ***

Seat 2: YYYYYY (small blind) showed [Qh Th] and won ($1,029) with two pair, Queens and Fours

*** SUMMARY 2 ***

Seat 1: XXXXXX (big blind) showed [3d Ad] and won ($1,029) with a pair of Aces

At the time of the choice to split into two pots the money has already gone in, so the hero amount at risk isn't affected by this change. Thus the dollar accounting is simple and straightforward. If you see "Showdown 1" and "Showdown 2" in the history file you fork to the multi-pot scenario.

For hand analysis purposes what you have here is two halves of a transaction. You have to fork to a truth table to determine how to report what happened for the hand / position analysis. Win both = win, lose both = lose, win one lose one = chop. Then handle win / lose / chop as you would in a single showdown scenario.

It's a bunch of new code, which is an annoyance, but it really shouldn't be that difficult to parse out the details into the structures you're already using.

20 November 2009 6:00 PM
Anonymous said...

The simplest way is probably to parse the hand and copy into two hands if you detect 'agree to run it twice'. Then treat as two separate hands.
Theoretically it is two separate hands.

18 December 2009 6:57 PM

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