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Saturday, 24 January 2009

Poker Experts, I need your help again

I'm trying to define a new stat "Folded big blind to blind steal attempt". Read my dilemma here.

Thanks

Posted by Steve McLeod at 11:18 AM

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Stole this from the wpt site:

Attempt to Steal Percentage:
A hand counts if a player open raises preflop from a position one to the right of the button, on the button, or in the small blind. Denominator is opportunities to steal.
Folded Big Blind to Steal:
A hand counts if the player is in the Big Blind and a player from a steal position (one to the right of the button, on the button, or the small blind) open raises and the player gives up his blind and folds his hand. Denominator is steals attempted against his big blind.
Folded Small Blind to Steal:
A hand counts if the player is in the Small Blind and a player from a steal position (one to the right of the button or on the button) open raises and the player gives up his blind and folds his hand. Denominator is steals attempted against his small blind.
Raise Big Blind Against a Steal:
Similar to “Fold Big Blind to Steal” except instead of folding his hand, the player responds by re-raising from the big blind
Raise Small Blind Against a Steal:
Similar to “Fold Small Blind to Steal” except instead of folding his hand, the player responds by re-raising from the small blind

Personally I think it should include 1 raiser from late position or smal blind when folded to him and small blind should fold his hand.

24 January 2009 1:56 PM
Rick said...

I would limit it to one-on-one scenarios, the open raiser (button or SB) and the BB. If the SB calls a raise or re-raises, then the BB has a lot more variables to consider. It becomes questionable as to whether this is a simple steal attempt.

24 January 2009 3:44 PM
Anonymous said...

Most importantly I think you should calculate this the same way HEM and PT3 calculate it unless you feel there is a significantly better way to do it.

Personally, you use this stat when deciding whether to raise someone's blind. If I'm considering raising their blind, I don't care if they'll fold if the sb 3-bets, and if I want to know if they will raise when the sb calls, I would look at their squeeze frequency. So I think it should only count when there was one raiser, and it was folded to the bb.

24 January 2009 11:34 PM
Dazbog said...

As I see this, I could only consider a blind steal attempt as being from the cutoff, button, or small blind as long as no one has entered the pot prior to the action by that position. This of course is only a stat for the big blind position.

The unfortunate part I see is adding the cutoff position. This can skew the stats unfavorably leading a user to believe that they are not defending blinds enough, leading to looser calls from the blinds. Leaving out the cutoff position from the stats would probably be a wise first step in implementing this. If/when future stats on players would include raise by position information, then evaluating a players tendencies would become more accurate.

Of course, changing the attempt to steal blinds stat to reflect any differences of position should also be checked in the resulting release so that statistics remain consistent.

25 January 2009 2:30 AM

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